: what do you think of mitt romney who he added more detail to the tax cut plan that he would get rid of special exemptions, allowances, what you talked about, like limit deductions to $17,000 total tops? >> well -- neil: made the prospects of tax rates going down to 20% to a lot of people less favorable, that they say, well, am i really going to do so well under this? what do you think? >> well, you don't have to use the horrible word that gets grover norquist to lose his mashbles while he wonders around the world and his wife cheats. neil: i take it you're not a fan? >> i'm not. anyone who signs something 15 years before the issue, you shouldn't be in congress to sign -- meal kneel no tax -- neil: no tax hike pledges? >> you don't have to do a, quote, "tax in connection -- "tax increase". you're not doing a tax increase. getting $6 billion out of ethanol, and grover calls that a tax increase. neil: you think the time came to face the american people, tell them this sort of thing that we're up against romney exploited so cautiously. some think it's too late for that. do you buy that?